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policies led to fiscal cliff blowup. why are republicans all painted as obstructionists and democrats seem to go a free pass? mark han a says republicans are the ones to blame. hannah, what do you mean republicans are obstruction insists always? spending is the problem, is it not? >> no, look, we have a huge problem with revenue now. the revenue through taxes last year was as low as ever. right now we don't have the money -- hold on, sir, you can't throw a know like that and say as low as ever. revenues have been going up. >> in recent memory. >> for decades. >> president obama has presided over the lowest tax rate in mod hern history and decades. we're trying to role back taxes for people making over $250,000 a year. what john boehner is doing by letting us go off the fiscal cliff is raising every american's income taxes in about a week by not negotiating with the white house. he -- he's in a awkward position, he can't even get his own party to back his own republican proposals, so what we're seeing is congressmen and c
policies led to fiscal cliff blowup. why are republicans all painted as obstructionists and democrats seem to go a free pass? mark han a says republicans are the ones to blame. hannah, what do you mean republicans are obstruction insists always? spending is the problem, is it not? >> no, look, we have a huge problem with revenue now. the revenue through taxes last year was as low as ever. right now we don't have the money -- hold on, sir, you can't throw a know like that and say as low as...
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the first step in the fiscal cliff ought to be a republican discussion about what they were and were not willing to do. that did that seem to take place until earlier this week. the conversation was inconclusive. the one thing that has not happened yet, democrats have provided the votes on a lot of budget-related matters over the years but it was only after the tea party gave boehner permission to negotiate with the democrats -- those circumstances have to happen. we see you pushed as hard as you could. we now need to get something done. we're going to vote against this but work with the democrats. host: we have spoken to a number of republicans who say that the problem is spending. the government needs to cut spending. that is where we need to go in terms of reducing the deficit. guest: that is true, we need to cut spending, but there is some conflicting other couple issues. we to cut long-term spending on retirement programs to make them more in line with economic growth, not make them grow that much more quickly than economic growth. all the things that the republican house has pa
the first step in the fiscal cliff ought to be a republican discussion about what they were and were not willing to do. that did that seem to take place until earlier this week. the conversation was inconclusive. the one thing that has not happened yet, democrats have provided the votes on a lot of budget-related matters over the years but it was only after the tea party gave boehner permission to negotiate with the democrats -- those circumstances have to happen. we see you pushed as hard as...
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we can either move forward in a bipartisan way, hand in hand over the fiscal cliff, or our republican colleagues can help lead us off that cliff. hope that is not the case. >> can i just ask what are your spies on the other side in essence telling you what is going on over there because you have to count heads with them as well? >> and not stipulating to any characterization of any information we received. [laughter] i really have no ideas. >> getting them to try to prove this, what are you hearing from the other side, anything? >> what your question is better addressed to the republicans coming out of their conference. we just came out of hours and we know what you tell us as to what is coming out of their caucus. >> we have not had an opportunity to talk to the leadership at this point. >> you have said you preferred a straight up or down vote, is that because of the time were that because of the vice president? >> it was a bill passed in the united states senate 89-8. tell me when you have had that on a measure as controversial as this. >> they had troubles with that one almost to
we can either move forward in a bipartisan way, hand in hand over the fiscal cliff, or our republican colleagues can help lead us off that cliff. hope that is not the case. >> can i just ask what are your spies on the other side in essence telling you what is going on over there because you have to count heads with them as well? >> and not stipulating to any characterization of any information we received. [laughter] i really have no ideas. >> getting them to try to prove...
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i think they'll tell you another story. >> fellow republicans discuss the fiscal cliff deal. sheila jackson from texas was in the room with the democrats. she joins me now. congresswoman. happy new year. >> happy new year, chris, to you, and happy new year to mesh. >> well, i know you ducked out of the meeting, but can you give us a sense of what it was like in that room? >> i certainly can. first of all, let me thank president obama and vice president biden working as a team on behalf of the american people and for showing the extent of patience that they've had to show over these last couple of months and certainly since august of 2011. there's about an a great deal of patience, and i think as the meeting has begun with the vice president he was appropriately respectful of how challenging an effort this was, but more importantly, how important this was for the american people and the trust that was given to him by the president and leader reid to engage with jord leader mcconnell who had heretofore, if you will, joined with the chorus of naysayers not wanting to do figure.
i think they'll tell you another story. >> fellow republicans discuss the fiscal cliff deal. sheila jackson from texas was in the room with the democrats. she joins me now. congresswoman. happy new year. >> happy new year, chris, to you, and happy new year to mesh. >> well, i know you ducked out of the meeting, but can you give us a sense of what it was like in that room? >> i certainly can. first of all, let me thank president obama and vice president biden working as a...
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which collectively would avert the entire fiscal cliff if enacted. those bills await action by the senate if the senate will not approve and send them to the president to be signed into law in their current form. they must be amended and returned to the house. the house will take this action on whatever the senate can pass, but the senate must first act. the house has passed bills that would never pass the senate. speaker boehner's position is a joke. senate majority leader harry reid responded, house republicans pushed middle class families closer to the blip by wasting an entire week with their incompetent plan b stunt no further legislation can move through the senate until republicans drop their knee jerk obstruction. the house is literally phoning it in, tomorrow's conference call will reportedly include the entire caucus, not just republican leadership, the irony is that if we go over the cliff, the president will get whatever he wants on texas, and there's been a growing acknowledgement of this by some house and senate republicans. here's sena
which collectively would avert the entire fiscal cliff if enacted. those bills await action by the senate if the senate will not approve and send them to the president to be signed into law in their current form. they must be amended and returned to the house. the house will take this action on whatever the senate can pass, but the senate must first act. the house has passed bills that would never pass the senate. speaker boehner's position is a joke. senate majority leader harry reid...
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we can either move forward in a bipartisan way, hand in hand, to avert the fiscal cliff or our republican colleagues could help lead us off that cliff. we hope that's not the case. >> questions? >> if i can ask -- >> i think you were first. >> can i just ask what are your spies on the other side in a sense telling you how it is going over there? you have to count heads with them as well. >> i am not stipulating to any charktization to any information we receive from our friends in the press. i really have no idea. >> -- to try to prove this. what are you hearing from the other side? >> i think your question is better addressed to the republicans coming out of their conference. we just came out of ours, and we know what you tell us as to what is coming out of theirs. >> we haven't had an opportunity to talk to their leadership at this point in time. >> you said a moment ago you would prefer a straight up or down vote on that. >> absolutely. >> is that because of the time, or is that because it is a deal brokered by the vice president? >> no, it was a bill that was passed in the united stat
we can either move forward in a bipartisan way, hand in hand, to avert the fiscal cliff or our republican colleagues could help lead us off that cliff. we hope that's not the case. >> questions? >> if i can ask -- >> i think you were first. >> can i just ask what are your spies on the other side in a sense telling you how it is going over there? you have to count heads with them as well. >> i am not stipulating to any charktization to any information we receive...
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cliff negotiations. but the white house clearly wants to have the business community in this country on their side politically. they view them as a potential ally in this putting pressure on capitol hill, republicans in particular, to move something over the weekend. but we're running out of time here. if they're back in town at 6:30 on monday -- on sunday, rather, that gives them sunday night and monday to try to pass something, not a lot of time in washington terms. >> okay, eamon javers, thanks so much for keeping us updated. let's bring in the rest of the options action crew and talk about the markets. mike not very good action today. closing at session lows and futures look to be rough on monday as well. >> yeah, it's interesting, when they filed out of the white house, this was post close, if you're looking at the mini futures, they dropped by about ten handles off that. a lot of disappointment among the futures markets at what isn't going on there. i think there's good reason for that, but it's ha
cliff negotiations. but the white house clearly wants to have the business community in this country on their side politically. they view them as a potential ally in this putting pressure on capitol hill, republicans in particular, to move something over the weekend. but we're running out of time here. if they're back in town at 6:30 on monday -- on sunday, rather, that gives them sunday night and monday to try to pass something, not a lot of time in washington terms. >> okay, eamon...
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. >>> breaking news, house republicans have just wrapped up a meeting to discuss the fiscal cliff deal worked out by vice president joe biden and senate m minority leader mitch mcconnell. the deal which passed overnight will see income taxes rise on individuals making over $450,000 a year, and families making over $550,000 a year. let's listen in now as house democrats speak. >> caucus meeting which -- in which the vice president not only roused the entire membership, but also gave us a very thoughtful and detailed explanation of what's gone on, and how it was that he and the president working with the democratic and republican leaders in both houses were able to come together on this compromise. we first want to say thank you to the vice president for being so gracious. quite honestly, so frank in his conversation with us in explaining as much as he could about what's transpired over the last several weeks. we now are waiting to hear from our republican colleagues, whether or not they want to do what the senate did in a very bipartisan fashion and give the men people an opportunity to
. >>> breaking news, house republicans have just wrapped up a meeting to discuss the fiscal cliff deal worked out by vice president joe biden and senate m minority leader mitch mcconnell. the deal which passed overnight will see income taxes rise on individuals making over $450,000 a year, and families making over $550,000 a year. let's listen in now as house democrats speak. >> caucus meeting which -- in which the vice president not only roused the entire membership, but also...
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for this mess and have made it clear that if we go over the fiscal cliff, it's going to be republicans that will pay the price. >> well, the polls, of course, are a reflection of a moment in time but, you know, i had some of these issues in minnesota. i had the first government shutdown in the history of my state and learned some things, jonathan. you have to have leverage in a negotiation, two, you can overplay your hand. if you corner one group so completely and leave them no way out, it's likely to blow up and the third and last thing i learned is if you do overplay your hand the ill will that comes from that can reside for a long time and spoil your chances to get things done down the road and president obama i think is in a very powerful position right now. he has some leverage but i think in the interest of the country and the interest of getting things done for the rest of his term, he should be mindful of not overplaying his hand here. he has a good sound-bite, which is raise taxes on the wealthy from his perspective but hasn't given the republicans the good sound bite they nee
for this mess and have made it clear that if we go over the fiscal cliff, it's going to be republicans that will pay the price. >> well, the polls, of course, are a reflection of a moment in time but, you know, i had some of these issues in minnesota. i had the first government shutdown in the history of my state and learned some things, jonathan. you have to have leverage in a negotiation, two, you can overplay your hand. if you corner one group so completely and leave them no way out,...
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asking for, if there is any hope of averting the fiscal cliff. shibani? shibani: thanks very much, rich. we're also learning house speaker bain are is not in fact returning to the capitol. leaving the ball in the senate's court. if we do get any sort of statement out of any senators that were involved we'll of course bring that to you. david: well the president is always talking about math and it is just a matter of simple math things don't add up. well, he is right. increase of expenditures in his administration has gone up 25% from his predecessor. if we can put up the figure, the full screen that we have showing that. in 2008 we spent about $2983 -- $2.98 trillion. that went up as you can see in the next year primarily because of the extra spending with the stimulus program but it didn't really slow down. it just kept up at the increased level. how is the president going to get the money to fund his new spending? that's a question that our next guest has been thinking long and hard about. he is thomas fanning, chairman, ceo and president of so
asking for, if there is any hope of averting the fiscal cliff. shibani? shibani: thanks very much, rich. we're also learning house speaker bain are is not in fact returning to the capitol. leaving the ball in the senate's court. if we do get any sort of statement out of any senators that were involved we'll of course bring that to you. david: well the president is always talking about math and it is just a matter of simple math things don't add up. well, he is right. increase of expenditures in...
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the back for avoiding the fiscal cliff. much't know how congratulation we ought to have for that. yesterday i was buying some groceries, and the guy at the checkout stand had no idea who i was, and should not have. he said, what is going on on capitol hill? what are those people doing? we ought to fire everybody in congress. they cannot get their work done. we have to get our work done. they don't have to get their work done. he made a good point. it is down to the level of gross restore check out people, and i suspect other levels than that. people are tuned into the news media or entertainment media. they call it the fiscal cliff, so that it appears to be in niagara falls with money running over it. more of a gradual slope, but we have to stop this downward slope that we are on. it is important that we do that. this is the body that can do that. congress can do that. we do a war of words around here, this protecting the ridgc. h the problem goes into the definition of rich, and that is a hard one to explain. any attempt t
the back for avoiding the fiscal cliff. much't know how congratulation we ought to have for that. yesterday i was buying some groceries, and the guy at the checkout stand had no idea who i was, and should not have. he said, what is going on on capitol hill? what are those people doing? we ought to fire everybody in congress. they cannot get their work done. we have to get our work done. they don't have to get their work done. he made a good point. it is down to the level of gross restore check...
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ideological fight that the fiscal cliff is just a minor blip with you in the long run they actually won a large chunk of what they've been after? >> we're going to have to see what is the impact in the the days ahead. can the republicans somehow turn that around? they certainly, inside the white house believe just the opposite because they believe that john boehner was sort of out maneuvered here, he had been pressing the president, pressing the president for some of his issues and what boehner may have forgotten is at the end of the day if there's no action by the congress, all of the bush tax rates are expiring, so the president is going to get what he's wanted in this debate all along, which is that taxes are going up on the rich and-- >> the president's outmaneuvered the republicans from the very beginning on this. >> ed doesn't have to answer that question. >> and kimberly, we're going to give you the last question, before we go to mike emanuel. >> i have a civilized question for mr. henry. >> and civilized-- >> my goodness, bob. >> it sounds worse than the negotiations on the
ideological fight that the fiscal cliff is just a minor blip with you in the long run they actually won a large chunk of what they've been after? >> we're going to have to see what is the impact in the the days ahead. can the republicans somehow turn that around? they certainly, inside the white house believe just the opposite because they believe that john boehner was sort of out maneuvered here, he had been pressing the president, pressing the president for some of his issues and what...
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that is a clear signal that republicans in the house are taking us right over the fiscal cliff. i wished the entire republican caucus was as reasonable as the colleague of mine and friend who is standing right next to me who is a very conservative republican but a very practical common sense republican. if his colleagues would listen to him, we would be in decent shape here. right now the problem in the republican caucus and the house is compromise has bng a dirty word. as you indicated there things in this bill that i don't like. there are things in this bill that i don't like. but i recognize that none of us get to have things 100% of our way. and the difference between divided government and dysfunctional government is a willingness to compromise. and compromise is in very short supply today in the house republican caucus. >> suarez: representative van hollen you heard your colleague tom cole talk about deep misgivings inside the republican caucus. aren't there members of your party who are not overjoyed with what came out of the senate last night? where the dividing lines am
that is a clear signal that republicans in the house are taking us right over the fiscal cliff. i wished the entire republican caucus was as reasonable as the colleague of mine and friend who is standing right next to me who is a very conservative republican but a very practical common sense republican. if his colleagues would listen to him, we would be in decent shape here. right now the problem in the republican caucus and the house is compromise has bng a dirty word. as you indicated there...
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so that they're not giving up what the tax revenue could be from the fiscal cliff, in order to just let the republicans take a big chunk out of social security and medicare and without having to compromise further. >> what do you think about the fact that the house left for the night and will be back at noon tomorrow? but the senate really decided to stick this out. whether they vote or not, they're writing the bill right now. what was their incentive to stick around and try to hammer this thing tonight? >> well, for one thing, when they actually finish it tonight, they can leave. i think there is a desire, certainly among vice president joe biden and minority leader mcconnell and majority leader reid, to show they can do this. in this area, there is a center of leading, the senate likes that they can actually get it done. if they can get it done tonight on the eve of of the fiscal cliff, they can actually say they were able to get it done before we went over the cliff. that they were not so deeply, deeply irresponsible that they actually let us go over the cliff, to hammer a deal out.
so that they're not giving up what the tax revenue could be from the fiscal cliff, in order to just let the republicans take a big chunk out of social security and medicare and without having to compromise further. >> what do you think about the fact that the house left for the night and will be back at noon tomorrow? but the senate really decided to stick this out. whether they vote or not, they're writing the bill right now. what was their incentive to stick around and try to hammer...
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cliff because i believe it's totally overrated. >> you refer it to it as the fiscal curb. why do you think the fiscal cliff is overrated? >> because ultimately a deal is going to happen. if the republicans are smart, which so far unfortunately it hasn't been working out that way, but if the republicans are smart, they are going to use that and they are going to get every single thing they wanted, including a huge reduction in expenditures. >> the way it seems to be rolling out now is that all our taxes, every single income level is going to go up january 1st if no deal is struck. the democrats, i assume, intend to paint that as a republicans have raised all your taxes and blame republicans. so i don't think the democrats see this as a win for the republicans. >> no. i think that's right. i think that's fine and let it happen because ultimately all of these folks that signed the pledge, and some people that sign a pledge, whether you like the pledge or not, i mean, they sort of feel committed to it. now the tacks go up for a short period of time and then they give a tax red
cliff because i believe it's totally overrated. >> you refer it to it as the fiscal curb. why do you think the fiscal cliff is overrated? >> because ultimately a deal is going to happen. if the republicans are smart, which so far unfortunately it hasn't been working out that way, but if the republicans are smart, they are going to use that and they are going to get every single thing they wanted, including a huge reduction in expenditures. >> the way it seems to be rolling out...
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we're actually over the fiscal cliff. so, now it's up to the republican-controlled house to pull us back. here's what happened while you were sleeping, or sleeping or dg else. a deal crafted by vice president joe biden and minority leader mitch mcconnell passed the senate by a margin of 89-8. that vote wrapped up after 2:00 a.m. eastern time. the house takes up this plan later on this morning. no telling on how that will turn out if the house approves, the deal will estimate a generated $600 billion over the next ten years this is how senate leaders of both sides of the aisle are assessing the measure. >> i have said all along, the most important priority is protecting middle class families. >> this suhouldn't be the model for how we do things. but we can say we've done some good for the country. >> bush era tax cuts will remain in place for individuals earning less than 400,000, couples earning less than 450,000. unemployment benefits for 2 million americans would be extended for a year. the alternative minimum tax perma
we're actually over the fiscal cliff. so, now it's up to the republican-controlled house to pull us back. here's what happened while you were sleeping, or sleeping or dg else. a deal crafted by vice president joe biden and minority leader mitch mcconnell passed the senate by a margin of 89-8. that vote wrapped up after 2:00 a.m. eastern time. the house takes up this plan later on this morning. no telling on how that will turn out if the house approves, the deal will estimate a generated $600...
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a senior democratic source saying the white house has a deal with republicans to avoid the fiscal cliff. a deal in the senate. however, there are still some questions about senate democrats which is why vice president biden s now and capitol hill we are told by sources to essentially get some of the liberal democrats to sign on to the deal avoiding the fiscal cliff. as you look live at the capitol dome, the light on top of the dome is lit because the congress s in session. but we haven't seen the piece of legislation move forward, the specifics. as you look live, vice president biden walked into the democratic caucus meeting there just beyond where the reporters are standing there by the microphones and said happy new year, happy new year, isn't it great that you all are here tonight. so what about this deal that is shaping up? the house will not be taking it up tonight. they have adjourned for the night and they will reconvene in 2013. actually you noon tomorrow the house will come back. essentially the u.s. will go over the fiscal cliff. but what about this deal that is shaping up and
a senior democratic source saying the white house has a deal with republicans to avoid the fiscal cliff. a deal in the senate. however, there are still some questions about senate democrats which is why vice president biden s now and capitol hill we are told by sources to essentially get some of the liberal democrats to sign on to the deal avoiding the fiscal cliff. as you look live at the capitol dome, the light on top of the dome is lit because the congress s in session. but we haven't seen...
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we are focused on the fiscal cliff and whatever is going to happen with that. logistically, the time of the year. we are talking about months before there is going to be legislation that could be put on the table. what do you think could pully realistically have a chance of passing? >> i'm skeptical like you ever. i hope it plugs the loophole that they get through at the various gun shows. i hope there can be something on magazine clips. the thing i would most like to see is an attempt to do a buy back program back in 1996. if we did that and invested real money, you could -- if we overpaid for the guns we want to get off the street, that's the big problem. anything we do now at the margin will not reduce the stock. that's part of the problem. why not make it a stimulus at the same time we get guns back and reduce the inventory and the chance we will have these beings and firearms. >> it's a clever idea and a clever way to sell it. the basic point there about what a gun buy back program would do, the experience we had with the assault weapons ban is we banned t
we are focused on the fiscal cliff and whatever is going to happen with that. logistically, the time of the year. we are talking about months before there is going to be legislation that could be put on the table. what do you think could pully realistically have a chance of passing? >> i'm skeptical like you ever. i hope it plugs the loophole that they get through at the various gun shows. i hope there can be something on magazine clips. the thing i would most like to see is an attempt to...
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>>> as we continue to keep an eye on the fiscal cliff, the republicans continue to meet behind closed doors, a meeting described as a bit noisy and excited. the democrats just finished their meeting with vice president joe biden. that was described as an evangelical meeting. still unclear whether a vote by the house will take place on the bill that was passed by the senate or whether in fact they will amend it and send it back to the senate. joining us from washington, bob cusack, the managing editor of the online journal the hill. and, so, bob what is the latest word you have as to what is going on and whether in fact john boehner can get his people together to vote for this? >> well, it is going to be very difficult. house republicans don't like the senate passed bill, even though it passed 89-8. it looks like the house will pass something to return it back to the senate. they'll amend it in some way, it looks like, because they don't like this $4 trillion price tag that just came out over the last ten minutes, cbo just released that. and this is just a tough vote for house conserva
>>> as we continue to keep an eye on the fiscal cliff, the republicans continue to meet behind closed doors, a meeting described as a bit noisy and excited. the democrats just finished their meeting with vice president joe biden. that was described as an evangelical meeting. still unclear whether a vote by the house will take place on the bill that was passed by the senate or whether in fact they will amend it and send it back to the senate. joining us from washington, bob cusack, the...
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the fiscal cliff deal approvaled overwhelmingly faces strong opposition by house republicans. in fact, the number two house republican leader says he does not support it and now a new deadline threatens to send it back to the drawing board. and dana bash is on capitol hill. dana, what is the latest as far as the republican majority in the house is concerned? >> reporter: the latest, wolf, is that republicans will reconvene and have a second meeting in 15 minutes. down this hall, house republican leaders are still huddling but they announced that they are going to call republicans back together. perhaps that is because they have an idea of the the game plan that they want to pursue after they heard for about an hour and a half this afternoon from their rank and file by all accounts there certainly is a lot of interpret pi dags and voting to simply approve what the senate passed last night not only overwhelmingly, 90% of the senate voted for it, but it passed overwhelmingly among the fellow republicans. again, the percentage is about 90% of senate republicans voted in favor of t
the fiscal cliff deal approvaled overwhelmingly faces strong opposition by house republicans. in fact, the number two house republican leader says he does not support it and now a new deadline threatens to send it back to the drawing board. and dana bash is on capitol hill. dana, what is the latest as far as the republican majority in the house is concerned? >> reporter: the latest, wolf, is that republicans will reconvene and have a second meeting in 15 minutes. down this hall, house...
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now, is there a value to kicking the can down the road in avoiding the fiscal cliff? yes. but if they go over the cliff and then fix it in the next week with another stopgap, is there any real harm? who knows. if that make it is easier for republicans to vote for it, is it a disaster? probably not. but understand we had seven weeks in which we could have a done a big deal which would have gotten the debt under control, would have caused the economy to -- it would have been a catalyst to have this economy take off, and we blew it. we blew it. >> you know, governor dean, to that point here we are essentially looking over the abyss of the fiscal cliff, and i know you have said in the past let's just go over the cliff and start from scratch. do you still think that's the way to go? >> i do. actually, i hope they never come to a deal because this is the best deficit reduction package the democrats are ever going to get. but let's look at what really is going to happen here. i would be more surprised if they came to a deal in the next five days than i was by the roberts vote on
now, is there a value to kicking the can down the road in avoiding the fiscal cliff? yes. but if they go over the cliff and then fix it in the next week with another stopgap, is there any real harm? who knows. if that make it is easier for republicans to vote for it, is it a disaster? probably not. but understand we had seven weeks in which we could have a done a big deal which would have gotten the debt under control, would have caused the economy to -- it would have been a catalyst to have...
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cliff, while attitudes towards republicans are consistently bad and the blame and disapproval is only growing for them. it's costing them in the polls and at the polls this crisis of leadership, this consistent blocking that every obama has tried to do. it's really over a tax increase, and for what? it's really to stop primary challenges. that's what this is all about. i mean, it's really bringing the country to a standstill for their own political short term. >> "new york times" is talking about the urgency issue in all of this, and lacking urgency that we have witnessed. they say, yeah, with days left before the fiscal punch lands, both sides are exhibiting little sense of urgency. rather than to foster progress. perry is that the biggest thing, the primaries moving out of this and how everything looks back? >> i think there are two things going on. the first is democrats generally feel they won a man dade. they're not backing down -- the second thing is the primary issue. you have members of congress say last week there was a proposal to raise taxes, and a lot of republicans said i
cliff, while attitudes towards republicans are consistently bad and the blame and disapproval is only growing for them. it's costing them in the polls and at the polls this crisis of leadership, this consistent blocking that every obama has tried to do. it's really over a tax increase, and for what? it's really to stop primary challenges. that's what this is all about. i mean, it's really bringing the country to a standstill for their own political short term. >> "new york...
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deal aimed at at least portions of the fiscal cliff on overting tax hikes on middle income americas. they're still vague about delaying across-the-board spending cuts known as the sequester. stay with msnbc for more updates. now back to "hardball." >> let's dig into the turning points of general election. first up, the video that turned out to be the low point for the romney campaign. the candidates taped campaigns that half the americans are lazy. it's known as the 47% video. let's listen again. >> . >> never trust the caterers. anyway, republican national chairman committee man. i say that because i could not have been somebody who paid 1 $10,000 to go 234 there and then hurt the guy. >>> if u you're right about this election, it's the numbers. first of all, they occupy people. 1 pnt. all of the sudden, 1% became the thing to talk about. and then the 47% being anybody who's on any kind of government benefit program. whether it's disability or retirement or military or pension. everything was panted as bad. where did he get that number? >> well, look, you know, this election was all
deal aimed at at least portions of the fiscal cliff on overting tax hikes on middle income americas. they're still vague about delaying across-the-board spending cuts known as the sequester. stay with msnbc for more updates. now back to "hardball." >> let's dig into the turning points of general election. first up, the video that turned out to be the low point for the romney campaign. the candidates taped campaigns that half the americans are lazy. it's known as the 47% video....
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people are ready to blame republicans for the problem if we go over the fiscal cliff. they are holding out for keeping tax rates down where the public has said tax rates should go up. way back before 2010, the public was saying it. there also behind in the image perspective. they are seen as the party of extremism and the summer of 2011 -- the summer did not engage deeply with the policy debates. they sniff out very early on -- the public of more sophisticated than some people think. there were no merits being used to make other political argument and people were very frustrated about that. nobody came of that debate looking good. that is when we started to see a wider opening in the gap of the leaders of the two political parties and the republican party has not overcome that image. they're playing a very similar strategy. >> how do you factor into your polls what the political workers call from game? you have to attribute that to get out the vote efforts. do you try to factor is that in before? >> it is one of the challenges. campaigns are using technology -- there i
people are ready to blame republicans for the problem if we go over the fiscal cliff. they are holding out for keeping tax rates down where the public has said tax rates should go up. way back before 2010, the public was saying it. there also behind in the image perspective. they are seen as the party of extremism and the summer of 2011 -- the summer did not engage deeply with the policy debates. they sniff out very early on -- the public of more sophisticated than some people think. there were...
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cliff deal done if it does in fact get done. and what i mean by that is this -- it was done in the senate, and then it just went over to the house where house republicans were not interested in voting on it, a one-year extension of this at all, but they were sort of forced to do it because of the way the senate acted. it's not unlike what we'll probably see if the senate votes tonight and the house votes tomorrow. republicans in the senate and house are not going to be happy about it, but it's going to be, as they say here, they're going to get stuck with this bill and they're not going to have any other choice but to bring it up and probably pass it. >> can we assume, dana, that the senators, maybe even the vice president, will emerge from the meeting that is under way right now and come to the microphones that are near you? >> i would love to say yes, but we're getting some signals from democratic leadership sources that harry reid will probably not come and talk to us. however, i have seen this movie before. we're told that h
cliff deal done if it does in fact get done. and what i mean by that is this -- it was done in the senate, and then it just went over to the house where house republicans were not interested in voting on it, a one-year extension of this at all, but they were sort of forced to do it because of the way the senate acted. it's not unlike what we'll probably see if the senate votes tonight and the house votes tomorrow. republicans in the senate and house are not going to be happy about it, but it's...
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harry reid and nancy pelosi and leading republicans mitch mcconnell and john boehner. it's the president's first meeting with congressional leaders since november 16th. the closed door discussions are an attempt to reach a last minute agreement to avoid automatic spending cuts and tax increases due to kick in january 1st. >> probably the worst case scenario will come out of this meeting today and that is we will kick the can down the road. >> reporter: senator bob courter told cbs this morning he predicts the meeting will bring only a temporary solution. >> this afternoon's meeting feels much to me like optics to make it look like we're doing something. let me just say one more time this is a total dereliction of duty at every level. >> reporter: going over the cliff would affect 88% of u.s. taxpayers whose taxes would go up on average $3,500 a year. many americans are frustrated the showdown has gone down to the last minute. >> they're playing games with people's lives. i don't think that's correct. >> it's just unfortunate that at this point the two sides can't come
harry reid and nancy pelosi and leading republicans mitch mcconnell and john boehner. it's the president's first meeting with congressional leaders since november 16th. the closed door discussions are an attempt to reach a last minute agreement to avoid automatic spending cuts and tax increases due to kick in january 1st. >> probably the worst case scenario will come out of this meeting today and that is we will kick the can down the road. >> reporter: senator bob courter told cbs...
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cliff." >> reporter: and hope is fading that congress can get a deal done before tax hikes and spending cuts kick in january 1. >> i am not optimistic. >> reporter: even congressional leaders are skeptical. >> the american people have a right to be very upset with this congress. >> reporter: president obama has invited nancy pelosi, john boehner, mitch mcconnell and harry reid to the white house this afternoon for a "fiscal cliff" summit. >> here we are five days from the new year, and we might finally start talking. >> reporter: today's white house meeting might be the last chance to come to an agreement. that's because it takes time for a bill to work its way through both chambers of congress. >> i don't know time-wise how it can happen now. >> reporter: under senate rules the only way a bill could make its way through the procedure hurdles in time is if every senator agrees not to slow the progress. the house will be back here sunday night giving them just more than 24 hours to vote on an
cliff." >> reporter: and hope is fading that congress can get a deal done before tax hikes and spending cuts kick in january 1. >> i am not optimistic. >> reporter: even congressional leaders are skeptical. >> the american people have a right to be very upset with this congress. >> reporter: president obama has invited nancy pelosi, john boehner, mitch mcconnell and harry reid to the white house this afternoon for a "fiscal cliff" summit. >>...
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on this fiscal cliff, i think a lot of republicans will move towards that $250,000 number. 24e may not like the president's deal or his approach, but both sides want to extend middle class tax rates. that's the key. both parties agree they want to extend to a certain threshold middle class tax rates. it's all about where that ball ends pup. >> so you think republicans will go for $250,000. >> i don't think the republican leadership will agree on $250,000, but you will see as many republicans move towards $250,000, maybe a scattering in the senate, a scattering in the house, because at the end of the day they want to extend as many rates as possible. >> but, richard, the real question here, they don't have to agree to $250,000 but they have to let a vote happen on $250,000. in of that case mitch mcconnell would have to agree not owe filibuster and speaker boehner would have to allow the bill to come to the floor. it's 9 process disagreements. >> i may not be the only person who is getting confused on the optimist/pessimist signals. let's listen to what we heard from a couple senators. f
on this fiscal cliff, i think a lot of republicans will move towards that $250,000 number. 24e may not like the president's deal or his approach, but both sides want to extend middle class tax rates. that's the key. both parties agree they want to extend to a certain threshold middle class tax rates. it's all about where that ball ends pup. >> so you think republicans will go for $250,000. >> i don't think the republican leadership will agree on $250,000, but you will see as many...
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don't they have to get past a few issues before they can start reshaping themselves and fiscal cliff? >> this is, they're going to have to figure out where they are on taxes and figure out where they are on immigration. i think if you look at those two issues, you're going to figure out what direction the republicans have, if they have decided to take one. >> karen, thank you. jerry, jessica, matt, thanks, you guys, for being here. >>> when we return, the politics of procrastination. this is america. we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who gets heartburn and then treats day after day... block the acid with prilosec otc and don't get heartburn in the first place! [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. [ male announcer ] when diarrhea hits, kaopectate stops it fast. powerful liquid relief speeds to the source. fast. [ male announcer ] stop the uh-oh fast with kaopectate. >>> for all we don't know about what a final fiscal cliff bill will look like, we do know it will be minimalist and not address
don't they have to get past a few issues before they can start reshaping themselves and fiscal cliff? >> this is, they're going to have to figure out where they are on taxes and figure out where they are on immigration. i think if you look at those two issues, you're going to figure out what direction the republicans have, if they have decided to take one. >> karen, thank you. jerry, jessica, matt, thanks, you guys, for being here. >>> when we return, the politics of...
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reform and tax reform and avoiding the fiscal cliff. it's a reminder of the division and disfunction in d.c. the crippling disconnect from the common sense concerns of the american public. piers morgan is next. and one more thing...hurry. get a focus with 2000 cash plus 500 year end bonus cash with no charge sync and sound during the final hundred hours of the ford year end celebration. only at your local ford dealer. has oats that can help lower cholesterol? and it tastes good? sure does! wow. it's the honey, it makes it taste so... well, would you look at the time... what's the rush? be happy. be healthy. to the best vacation sp(all) the gulf! what's the rush? it doesn't matter which of our great states folks visit. mississippi, alabama, louisiana or florida, they're gonna love it. shaul, your alabama hospitality is incredible. thanks, karen. love your mississippi outdoors. i vote for your florida beaches, dawn. bill, this louisiana seafood is delicious. we're having such a great year on the gulf, we've decided to put aside our rivalr
reform and tax reform and avoiding the fiscal cliff. it's a reminder of the division and disfunction in d.c. the crippling disconnect from the common sense concerns of the american public. piers morgan is next. and one more thing...hurry. get a focus with 2000 cash plus 500 year end bonus cash with no charge sync and sound during the final hundred hours of the ford year end celebration. only at your local ford dealer. has oats that can help lower cholesterol? and it tastes good? sure does! wow....
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when you look at the fiscal cliff if you think the deficit is the problem, going over the cliff addresses that problem in a big way. >> saying no deal's better than a bad deal. >> once we go over the cliff and i come to the belief we are, we're going to all be asking for a parachute. the markets are going to go to hell in a hand basket and people are going to start screaming bloody murder. >> if the idea that the deficit is the problem, that will be addressed by going over the fiscal cliff. i happen not to think that the deficit is the main problem but it calls people's bluff. >> how in the world is it we can tell our children, you can't give your way up everything, so you and your brother and sister, you better figure it out. it works with my nieces and nephews, but for some reason, if it works in congress, it's a mushy deal or really isn't going to work. i'm sorry, folks, if it works for children. it can work with congress. >> stop the sand box politics. i couldn't agree more. we heard one congressman at the top of the show saying they shouldn't have gone home at christmas. do you think
when you look at the fiscal cliff if you think the deficit is the problem, going over the cliff addresses that problem in a big way. >> saying no deal's better than a bad deal. >> once we go over the cliff and i come to the belief we are, we're going to all be asking for a parachute. the markets are going to go to hell in a hand basket and people are going to start screaming bloody murder. >> if the idea that the deficit is the problem, that will be addressed by going over the...
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on thist your take fiscal cliff deal. david in louisiana, republican caller. caller: i feel this bill is not really accomplishing anything. if we keep ignoring what we are doing with the tax dollars, iciest of money going to refuse -- i see this money going to a very few states and individuals. it is not stimulating manufacturing here. we are buying chinese solar panels and trying to offset that by putting tariffs on imports. it is a big joke. i'm not speaking just on the federal approval. that is just one example. we've got to have oversight and planning. we've got to do something that will not have long-range negative impacts. we've got to control spending. it is not a democrat or republican gain. we have to be realistic about what we are spending our money on. host: marla in missouri. go ahead. caller: a couple of things. the last few callers are right. it is not a democrat or republican. it is the whole cabinet. the thing that gets me is that ronald reagan did are all the money from social security. i am one of those people. i'm also on social security now
on thist your take fiscal cliff deal. david in louisiana, republican caller. caller: i feel this bill is not really accomplishing anything. if we keep ignoring what we are doing with the tax dollars, iciest of money going to refuse -- i see this money going to a very few states and individuals. it is not stimulating manufacturing here. we are buying chinese solar panels and trying to offset that by putting tariffs on imports. it is a big joke. i'm not speaking just on the federal approval. that...
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they are waiting to reconvene to take up the fiscal cliff deal. after the gop meeting, we may learn when the house might vote on the deal and when republicans might amend it. house democrats are meeting on capitol hill with vice president joe biden. he is there to explain the deal he and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell brokered and that the senate approved. >>> the white house is keeping a close eye on today's developments in the house. stay with msnbc for more updates. and now back to hardball. >>> two steps forward, one step backward. let's play "hard ball." >> let me start this last night of the year with this, two steps forward, one step forward, that's the year if you look at it. so many good decisions as a society. we saw the angry faces of reaction to demographic change in the beginning. the people bringing guns to political events. the faces of hatred in the birther mularkey. the dog whistling whether it was about the president or his surrogate, susan rice. guess what? none of it worked. it just didn't. who would have known how powe
they are waiting to reconvene to take up the fiscal cliff deal. after the gop meeting, we may learn when the house might vote on the deal and when republicans might amend it. house democrats are meeting on capitol hill with vice president joe biden. he is there to explain the deal he and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell brokered and that the senate approved. >>> the white house is keeping a close eye on today's developments in the house. stay with msnbc for more updates. and now...
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i'm bret baier in washington covering the fiscal cliff issue as the senate democrats are meeting with vice president biden at this hour trying to finalize a deal. trying to move legislation forward that had been negotiated between vice president biden and senate republican leader, the minority leader mitch mcconnell. whether they can get the votes to pass the senate, whether that can then go to the house tomorrow and possibly get the votes to pass the thousand, those are all questions but one thing is clear, the u.s. is going technically over the fiscal cliff tonight set up at midnight. whether washington can stop the economic disaster that may come before wednesday when the markets would have the first chance to react to if something fell apart, that is really the question that the world is watching for. joining me now on the phone, chris stirewalt. you take on all of this as this back and forth has happened and what we are seeing tonight? >> bret, when we look back at how this started we think about the republicans coming back to town after the election, john boehner coming back and
i'm bret baier in washington covering the fiscal cliff issue as the senate democrats are meeting with vice president biden at this hour trying to finalize a deal. trying to move legislation forward that had been negotiated between vice president biden and senate republican leader, the minority leader mitch mcconnell. whether they can get the votes to pass the senate, whether that can then go to the house tomorrow and possibly get the votes to pass the thousand, those are all questions but one...
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and though we've now technically gone over the fiscal cliff, the senate is voting on a bipartisan compromise. the agreement which was hammered out by vice president joe biden and republican senate minority leader mitch mcconnell would extend tax breaks for people earning less than $400,000 a year or $450,000 for families. it would extend unemployment benefits for a year, and automatic federal spending cuts known as sequester will be delayed for two months and paid for with a combination of tax increases and spending cuts. as you can see, the motion that's taking place on the floor right now, that vote is taking place and we're waiting to hear what the results of that will be. now, in a meeting on monday, vice president biden spent 90 minutes selling the plan for senate democrats and he has said he is optimistic about the results of this and now we are waiting to see if it turns out that he was correct about that. we're joined now on the phone by congressional correspondent mike, who has a lot more insight into exactly what's taking place here. mike, happy new year to you. >> happy new year.
and though we've now technically gone over the fiscal cliff, the senate is voting on a bipartisan compromise. the agreement which was hammered out by vice president joe biden and republican senate minority leader mitch mcconnell would extend tax breaks for people earning less than $400,000 a year or $450,000 for families. it would extend unemployment benefits for a year, and automatic federal spending cuts known as sequester will be delayed for two months and paid for with a combination of tax...
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cliff, however, republicans are going to have to acquiesce, we will have some tax hikes, i think probably 750,000 and above i think that's the number, but what republicans are holding back the debt ceiling debate and cutti cutti cutting entitlement programs and they're going to use that later in the year. >> kelly: mark, the final word. >> if angela's prediction sort of come through-- and i hope it does, the republicans and senate negotiate, and republicans and congress will be responsible for the largest tax increst on all americans in modern american history and that would be unfortunate and soon talk about obama tax cuts when we talk about the middle class america. >> kelly: and the 113th congress coming into office in january. and angela and mark, thank you for sharing insights on this tough, tough situation for us. thank you. >> thank you, kelly. >> kelly: thank you. >> to a fox news alert. new details on the deadly plane crash out of russia. police now say that four crew members are dead, and four others have been injured after an airliner landing into one of moscow's international
cliff, however, republicans are going to have to acquiesce, we will have some tax hikes, i think probably 750,000 and above i think that's the number, but what republicans are holding back the debt ceiling debate and cutti cutti cutting entitlement programs and they're going to use that later in the year. >> kelly: mark, the final word. >> if angela's prediction sort of come through-- and i hope it does, the republicans and senate negotiate, and republicans and congress will be...
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caller: yes, i am glad to something being done about the fiscal cliff. the american people need to understand that the republicans put us in this situation, because when bill clinton left office, he left with a surplus. the republicans spent all the money. we went into recession. then president obama came on scene, and he brought us out of the recession, and it takes money to get out of recession. now they are trying to blame him for all of the spending. mitch mcconnell, he is a disgrace to the senate floor. he said he one of the president to be a one-term president. the people voted obama back in. host: the minority leader, mitch mcconnell, has been negotiating with the vice president joe biden to come to some sort of agreement. what you make of that? caller: i'm talking about what mitch mcconnell said in the beginning. he did not want to work with this president. the want it to see him fail. they're hurting the american people by not helping obama. obama is good for the country, but people that listen to rush limbaugh, sarah palin, and fox news, that i
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so where do fiscal cliff talks stand at this critical hour? nbc's kristen welker is on the north lawn and luke russert are both following developments this saturday afternoon. kristen, i'll start with you. any indication at this particular point as to what's happening behind closed doors this afternoon? >> reporter: well, i think most of the action is going on in the hill where staffers with majority leader reid and minority leader mcconnell are trying to conjure up some last-minute deal and this plan would not be the grand bargain that john boehner started initially working on. that plan would have dealt with tax reform and deficit reduction and this will be a much more scaled back version that will deal with the issue of taxes and that is still the big sticking point, taxes. of course, democrats and president obama have called for tax rates to increase on those making $250,000 or less. republicans have said that's way too low. so they're thinking about potentially compromising on a rate that would be $400,000 or $500,000, but some republican
so where do fiscal cliff talks stand at this critical hour? nbc's kristen welker is on the north lawn and luke russert are both following developments this saturday afternoon. kristen, i'll start with you. any indication at this particular point as to what's happening behind closed doors this afternoon? >> reporter: well, i think most of the action is going on in the hill where staffers with majority leader reid and minority leader mcconnell are trying to conjure up some last-minute deal...
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we believe the president does want to go over the fiscal cliff. >> boehner will be in the situation, do i get democratic votes. >> this is about the little guy on the street said that the republican people are losing. the american people are losing even more. david: are we going to go into a recession if we go off the cliff? you think we will be back i am not so sure about it. if you will cut spending, that is the issue. would we go into recession if we go over the cliff and they do not restore the spending cuts?
we believe the president does want to go over the fiscal cliff. >> boehner will be in the situation, do i get democratic votes. >> this is about the little guy on the street said that the republican people are losing. the american people are losing even more. david: are we going to go into a recession if we go off the cliff? you think we will be back i am not so sure about it. if you will cut spending, that is the issue. would we go into recession if we go over the cliff and they do...
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republicans have not been part of the " fiscal cliff " discussions in recent days suggesting much still needs to be done if a deal is to be struck and passed through congress by the end of the year. >> sam garner stated that the government may go out of money on december 31st. he stated that the government may not have enough to spend for next month. >> approval ratings for president obama and his cabinet are mixed. a new poll shows 52 percent of people surveyed approved of the president's performance while 43 percent disapprove. but as president joe biden's numbers are in line with the president. 54 percent approve of his job performance while 40 percent do not. first lady michelle obama has a 73 percent approval rating. all going secretary of state hillary clinton is also popular with a 66 percent approval rating. >> a new gallup poll shows a majority of americans supported stricter gun laws but most are against banning assault weapons. 58 percent of americans now say that they do support stricter gun laws. that is up from 43% in october 2011. 48% of the public say that they want to e
republicans have not been part of the " fiscal cliff " discussions in recent days suggesting much still needs to be done if a deal is to be struck and passed through congress by the end of the year. >> sam garner stated that the government may go out of money on december 31st. he stated that the government may not have enough to spend for next month. >> approval ratings for president obama and his cabinet are mixed. a new poll shows 52 percent of people surveyed approved...
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republicans don't -- >> andrea: admit it. face calf cliff is not the fiscal cliff. it should be called returning to the clinton era tax rate. isn't that the democrats' dream? return to clinton era tax rates? >> juan: that was 39%. that is not a big deal. not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back. >> kimberly: he is playing hard ball. this is the problem. he is going hmm to you, republicans. i don't care about that. that is nothing. i get that for free. he is the guy changing the play for his side. what about the right? >> juan: the american people. look at the poll, they think president obama is willing to compromise. >> andrea: which is ironic. [ overtalk ] >> juan: who are the obstructionists? it's my ideology, i can't negotiate. even if we go off the cliff, endanger the whole economy. >> greg: here is thing. the idea of adhering to a principle in this world is seen as extremism, trying
republicans don't -- >> andrea: admit it. face calf cliff is not the fiscal cliff. it should be called returning to the clinton era tax rate. isn't that the democrats' dream? return to clinton era tax rates? >> juan: that was 39%. that is not a big deal. not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back....
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public posturing, ahead of the fiscal cliff. obviously in case we go over it. listen to senate majority leader harry reid, yesterday. >> republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything that senate democrats put forward, just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> we are here in washington working while the members of the house of representatives are out watching movies and watching their kids play soccer and basketball and doing all kinds of things. they should be here. >> house speaker boehner sort of fired back on a conference call, alina, saying reid should do less talking and more legislating and the house now is set to return to washington on sunday. but that's cutting pretty close, as you can imagine, because we go over the fiscal cliff as of monday night without a deal. so pretty tight timeline there. >> what is the thinking at this point, dana bash, that most congressional leaders feel like going over the cliff, whether they will say it publicly is one thing, but going over the cliff might be better, because on the other end
public posturing, ahead of the fiscal cliff. obviously in case we go over it. listen to senate majority leader harry reid, yesterday. >> republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything that senate democrats put forward, just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> we are here in washington working while the members of the house of representatives are out watching movies and watching their kids play soccer and basketball and doing all kinds of things. they...
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we could tax all the rich people and cut their heads off and it wouldn't help the medicare fiscal cliff. we need to do both, and the president has to lead it. if he does, i'm ready to work with him and so are a lot of other republicans and democrats. >> so, mandy, a lot of different proposals floating around here in washington. a lot of ideas. a lot of attempts to read the minds of those key people in the room. >> eamon, is it true that some senators have left the boat and are fishing on their own for a deal? >> yeah. there are a couple of different proposals floating around out there now. you always have it in the senate, gangs of two, three, four, five senators put out their own ideas. at this late hour what the markets should focus on are the five leaders and the president that will be in that room. anything coming from any other senator is probably not fully baked enough to get through here at this point. it has to come from the leadership. >> eamon, thank you very much. appreciate it. >>> higher taxes is part of the cliff story. our next guest says there are other concerns that go
we could tax all the rich people and cut their heads off and it wouldn't help the medicare fiscal cliff. we need to do both, and the president has to lead it. if he does, i'm ready to work with him and so are a lot of other republicans and democrats. >> so, mandy, a lot of different proposals floating around here in washington. a lot of ideas. a lot of attempts to read the minds of those key people in the room. >> eamon, is it true that some senators have left the boat and are...